Becoming a True Human podcast Episode 4: Hope

We hope you enjoy our fourth podcast episode, this one exploring hope.

Chris Smith and Dave Kopacz speak about Chris’ forthcoming book, Hope Opens Doors. As we open one door of hope after another, we discuss the words of Vaclav Havel, Thomas Merton, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Rebecca Solnit, and F. Scott Fizgerald.

We talk about hope as a door that opens into rooms of new experience as well as the risk of being “imprisoned” in a room without a door, or a room that refuse to leave and are stagnating in. Yet, there is also the risk of opening the door too much, or opening Pandora’s Box.

Chris tells the following story about hope:

Thomas Merton, the writer and Trappist monk, is sometimes credited with saying, “Peace is not something you must hope for in the future. Rather, it is a deepening of the present, and unless you look for it in the present you will never find it.” If this quote is accurate, it reflects an important insight about hope, too. That is, hope is a “deepening” in the present, if we can be and listen long enough. It’s there. When Pandora was presented with a box and told not to open it, she, of course, removed the lid, releasing suffering and misery throughout the world. When the lid was finally secured, all that remained was hope.

And Chris read a little bit from his book, Hope Opens Doors:

As I was reflecting on this, our grandson, Angelo, was at our home. In the afternoon, we decided to take a walk. Angelo saw a rabbit in a neighbor’s yard and chased it. We ran through shrubs, bushes, and parts of my neighbor’s yard I’d never seen. The rabbit remained out of reach. It was frustrating. As I reflected on this later in the day, a question emerged: why is it the things that matter most often seem out of reach—like a rabbit?  And, while it is true for rabbits, it seemed to apply to so many other things, too. For example, peace really matters and yet is out of reach.  Health really matters and I recently had my appendix removed.

Hope, then, is often out of reach.

However, this isn’t the final answer. It is partial. Can you guess what’s missing? Though Angelo and I weren’t successful at catching the rabbit, there was, at least, a rabbit. We saw it. This point is often missed. Though peace is often out of reach, there is peace. Though health is sometimes out of reach, health exists. Peace, health, and rabbits. They exist. Just because we can’t contain them when we want doesn’t mean they do not exist.

Hope, then, is often simultaneously out of reach and present. Further, pursuing hope, though we may never be able to hold it in our hands or completely realize it, can still lead to adventure and self-understanding. I would have never seen different parts of my neighbor’s yard if it weren’t for that rabbit and an energetic two-year-old. Angelo and I discovered we like the challenge of chasing something that captures our curiosity. We learned both of us love navigating obstacles like shrubs and bushes. We also learned the rabbit was far better equipped to outrun and escape our best efforts.

Chris spoke about how the inspiration and title for his book came from a dream where he heard the phrase “Hope opens doors.” We then explored how sudden inspirations (as Havel says that hope is “anchored somewhere beyond the horizons” and that it comes to us from “elsewhere,” [Havel, Disturbing the Peace, 181]). I share how this idea of inspiration in the creative process reminded me of Kermit the Frog! I’m working on a book chapter with the working title, “Greening Medicine: The Role of the Medical Humanities,” and I suddenly remembered the Kermit the Frog song, “Bein’ Green,” and its line, “It’s not easy being green.” This song then provided the template for the beginning and end of the book chapter.

We include a guided meditation inspired by Joseph Rael’s teaching that no matter what you do in life, or what is done to you, that Wah-Mah-Chi (the Tiwa word for God, which he translates as Breath-Matter-Movement) holds back a place of goodness in your heart – which is always there, even if you have lost touch with it.

Hope, Chris says, is an “orthogonal perspective,” that to understand hope, we need to look at it from multiple different perspectives. While I agree with Chris on this, I told him that I have always thought that hope was “ornithological!” As this excerpt from Emily Dickinson’s poem, “‘Hope’ is the thing with feathers”

“‘Hope’ is the thing with feathers–
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops–at all–”

We hope that you enjoy this podcast on hope, it went longer than we hoped it would, but maybe we are in a time where we all need a little more hope.

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Becoming A True Human podcast.3 Holding Our Own

This next podcast is one from the archives – a conversation with my friend Jonathan McFarland (president of the Doctor as a Humanist) from July 29, 2023.

Jonathan and I have been comparing our KU (Kopacz Units) & MU (McFarland Units) as both of us have worked our way through phases of health and illness. I can tell that I was not feeling very well during this interchange, it was about a month after I started going back to work, after 2.5 months off for illness, and I was still quite fatigued.

We discuss wide-ranging array of topics, as usual, including:

  • holding our own
  • flourishing and thriving (or the lack thereof)
  • is health is more than the absence of disease?
  • the work of Doctor as a Humanist
  • shaking and quaking
  • the counter-curriculum
  • listening to the body
  • lost in the wilderness of the body
  • lost in the sterile corridors of contemporary medicine
  • Ivan Illich, Sir William Osler, Arthur Kleinman, CLOSLER, Siddhartha Mukherjee, Karl Marlantes
  • micro-invalidations in medicine
  • the project of science and the silencing of the human element
  • what it feels like to be on the receiving end of reductionistic medicine
  • doctors as information managers and technicans vs. healers

We close with the summary:

“Medical schools and medical education – and continuing medical education as well – are very good at
taking a human being and turning them into a technician, but they’re not very good at helping that technician connect to the human being of themselves, or the patient.” (Kopacz)

Becoming A True Human: Podcast on Future Primitive

A Million Human Songs, Joseph Rael (Beautiful Painted Arrow)

 It was a great pleasure and honor to be interviewed by Joanna Harcourt-Smith on the Future Primitive Podcast!

We talked about Joseph Rael’s and my new book, Becoming Medicine: Pathways of Initiation into A Living Spirituality and many other things as well…

Here is the intro text for the podcast and you can listen to Becoming A True Human, here.

We are happy to come back!

In this week’s episode David Kopacz speaks with Joanna about: encouraging children to plant green living things; dancing with the trees; the dormant seed inside oneself; walking the medicine wheel; becoming a true human being; we are medicine bags; being and vibration; the cycle of rejuvenation; separation is illness, healing is coming back together; the archetypal template of spiritual democracy; the Refounding Mothers of Democracy; coming home to peace.

Joanna had taken a break for a while and this was her first podcast interview, or gaialogue in a few months, so it was extra special. Thanks to Joanna Harcourt-Smith and co-producer, José Luis Gómez Soler. Here are Joanna’s and José’s bios, take a listen to my interview and check out the many other great podcasts, such as with Steven Herrmann, Charles Eisenstein, Frédérique Apffel-Marglin, Richard Katz, Neela Bhattacharya Saxena, Roshi Joan Halifax, Francoise Bourzat, Lyla June Johnston, and many, many others…

Joanna was born high up in the Swiss mountains on a snowy January evening. She grew up in Paris and speaks 5 languages. School was boring but her curiosity about life was not extinguished by the dullness of the education system. Nature was her teacher, trees, horses, dogs and the ocean gave her a sense of belonging that she did not feel within her birth family.

Joanna turned fourteen in 1960, she was in love with Marlon Brando and Rock and Roll. During her adolescence she was torn between a desire to die and an intense love of life. Because she felt lost between despair and passion she wrote poetry and continues to do so up to this day. During the early 1960s she lived in Spain and wrote “The Little Green Book” an answer to Mao Tse Tong’s “Little Red Book”. The Book was published in 4 languages and widely sold in France, the Netherlands, England and Germany.

In 1968 moved by the music of the times and the spirit of revolution sweeping through her generation she emigrated to the United States. Her exploration of mind liberating substances led her to find Dr. Timothy Leary who was a fugitive from prison in the US. They became in love and were kidnapped by American authorities in Afghanistan and returned to California where Timothy Leary went back to prison to serve a sentence of possession of 0.01 grams of marijuana. During TL’s three and a half years in prison Joanna worked tirelessly to secure his release, she lived in San Francisco where she collaborated, published and distributed the 6 books he wrote in prison. In addition, Joanna traveled to England, Italy and across the United states lecturing about the imprisonment of Dr. Leary.

In 1977 Timothy and Joanna’s love affair came to an end after he was released from prison. She then went down to the Caribbean and bough a magnificent wooden sailboat named Kentra. For several years she lived on her boat and sailed around the islands attempting to heal her broken heart. In 1983 she returned to the United States, surrendered herself into the path of life long sobriety and became a celebrated chef in Philadelphia and Santa Fe.

She practices Buddhism and the elusive way of loving kindness and compassion mainly for herself and for others around her. Joanna’s great question in life is “What is true Kindness?”

In October 2013 Joanna published a memoir about her adventures with Timothy Leary entitled Tripping the Bardo with Timothy Leary . Her book been has been optioned by the Oscar winner director Errol Morris. Filming began in December 2019.

She his currently writing another book entitled “Change your beliefs, change your life” Surviving Timothy Leary“.

She is also featured in Gay Dillingham’s movie “Dying to Know”, a documentary about Leary and Ram Dass’ lifelong exploration and friendship.

She is the author of several articles published in the online magazine “Reality Sandwich”.

The co-founder of the podcast is her partner, José Luis G. Soler.

Joanna has three amazing children.

She likes to remember that “if you don’t like the media, be the media”.

Life is short, but it’s wide!

José Luis Gómez Soler is the co-producer of Future Primitive. Since 2006 he has supported the podcast with research, recording, guest coordination and audio editing of these wonderful episodes.

José Luis studied Audiovisual Media Studies at the University of Sevilla, Spain. Since a young age, he has been deeply interested in mysticism and Nature.