Creating Sanctuaries of Creativity & Imagination (Becoming A True Human podcast episode #13)

Chris Smith & Dave Kopacz bring the year to a close talking about a number of themes, such as looking back and looking forward, creating sanctuaries of creativity & imagination, the start of the healer’s council, and the question of whether our country and world is metaphorically stuck in something like a chronic illness pattern.

Chris starts with a story of creating workshops on Chronic Illness Meets Love, and Mindfulness Meets Chronic Illness – and not having anyone show up! But then he is invited to join a healthcare professional to run a series of workshops on Mindfulness and Irritable Bowel Disorders. Chris introduces the idea of creating a space that can become filled with creativity & imagination.

Dave introduces the Sanskrit term guhā or cave of the heart, which he and Joseph Rael wrote about in their book, Becoming Medicine: Pathways of Initiation into a Living Spirituality. This concept teaches that there is an inner space of stillness deep within the heart, a place where the individual meets the divine. The Greek terms kenosis (emptying) and hesychia (stillness) reflect a similar state of being or practice, as well as the practice of incubation in the ancient temples of Asklepios, where initiates would lie down in darkness and stillness and wait for inspiration from dreams or visions.

Dave and Chris talk about Albert Ellis’ three musts: 1) “I must do well” 2) “you must treat me well” 3) “life must be easy.” We spoke about similarities with the Buddha’s four noble truths that begins with “life is suffering.”

Chris read the poem, “Dropping Keys,” a version of Hafiz by Daniel Landinsky, based on a story from Sufism of looking for dropped keys. (The poem can be found in Ladinsky’s The Gift, p. 205 and his A Year with Hafiz, p. 395).

The podcast closes with Dave leading a guided meditation that combines The Cave of the Heart Ceremony from Becoming Medicine with the Coming Home Ceremony from Walking the Medicine Wheel. This meditation takes us on the journey of transformation of the circulation of the blood through the four chambers (four directions) of the heart, receiving the most oxygen-depleted blood into the heart and giving away the most oxygen-rich blood to the body. After circulating around, the meditation moves into the still point of the circle, the center, the cave of the heart – a place of stillness and emptiness where one can go to feel replenished, a sanctuary of creativity and imagination at our deepest being.

We look back over the life of the podcast, Becoming a True Human, and look forward to the new year where we plan to alternate between our usual dynamic duo podcast, guests who have been foundational in creating and implementing the VA Whole Health program, and special guests – authors, artists, healers, and poets we admire.

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I think we’ll call this the end of season 1! Have a great end of 2025 and we’ll see you again in 2026!

Becoming A True Human Podcast, Episode 7: Practice

Episode 7: Practice

Life doesn’t have a pause button and neither do we…

Spotify Audio: http://t.ly/HKZGe

YouTube Video: http://t.ly/mluTN

Chris Smith and David Kopacz discuss the rewards and pitfalls of practice in yoga, meditation, writing, and life.

Sometimes practice clears a space where imperfections and flaws are seen. We are tempted to try to eliminate those specks of dust and scratches on our window, but accepting our imperfections may actually be the real part of practice. Practice is about reconnecting to our True Humanity, our inner held-back place of goodness, our source of love, compassion, and caring – and we may only reach these through suffering and imperfection.

For instance, we explore the Sanskrit term, samvega, which Stephen Cope describes as “complex state involving disillusionment with mundane life, and a wholehearted longing for a deeper investigation into the inner workings of the mind and self,” (The Wisdom of Yoga, 13).

Or as Karlfried Graf Dürckheim wrote in his book The Way of Transformation: Daily Life as Spiritual Practice, “Thus the aim of practice is not to develop an attitude which allows us to acquire a state of harmony and peace wherein nothing can ever trouble us. On the contrary, practice should teach us to let ourselves be assaulted, perturbed, moved, insulted, broken and battered” (107).

Chris and Dave discuss their own struggles with chronic illness/ongoing medical symptoms and the difficult work of turning personal illness and suffering into fuel for personal growth work.

We talk about:

  • using suffering as a spiritual practice
  • cleaning the windshield
  • “The Garden,” a reading from Chris’ next book, Hope Opens Doors
  • a workshop Chris is putting on in February, “Chronic Illness & Love”
  • Sean Mackey’s work on love & pain
  • finding inner calm and strength, even within chaos & suffering
  • Makransky & Condon’s Sustainable Compassion Training
  • making practices creative and fresh
  • the work of Joseph Rael (Beautiful Painted Arrow)
  • spanda – the divine creative pulsation
  • practice does not make perfekt
  • being capable of suffering may make us more capable of joy
  • the benefits of practice are not only for us, but are fully realized when we share with others and the Earth
  • practice is caring for ourselves and others

We close with a couple of practices, one from Dave’s book, Caring for Self & Others and short one from Chris Smith.

We have video links on YouTube and audio links on Spotify, here is the link to all episodes:

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