Join Chris Smith & Dave Kopacz for the second episode – Health & Unhealth – of the Becoming a True Human podcast (the first where the video recording worked!). We discuss themes of the wounded healer, transforming suffering, caring moment meditation, Sustainable Compassion Training and the work of John Makransky and Paul Condon, the poetry of Rumi, and how hope can open doors. (1 hour)

From “Childhood Friends”

Trust your wound to a teacher’s surgery.
Flies collect on a wound. They cover it,
those flies of your self-protecting feelings,
your love for what you think is yours.

Let a teacher wave away the flies
and put a plaster on the wound. Don’t turn your head. Keep looking
at the bandaged place. That’s where
the light enters you.
     And don’t believe for a moment
that you’re healing yourself.

Rumi, Jalal Al-Din; Barks, Coleman.

The Essential Rumi – reissue: New Expanded Edition (p. 142).

Becoming A True Human.2: Health & Unhealth